I like the Viale. My birthday is soon.

Interesting that the mtb's come in the "two most popular sizes " for hardtail mtb's- 650B and 29er. Will there be any 26" bikes being manufactured this time next year?

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mmm. Titanium is on my hit list. 

Not sure i'd go for a cheap one though. Titanium is just like steel and aluminium in the sense that there is good and bad quality titanium just as there is good and bad quality steel/aluminium.  

I've snapped many a cheap titanium Lacrosse shaft (because the cheap ones are 1/4 the price), but if i was going to buy a  mountain bike that i only wanted to last a year or two i'd get chinese carbon. 

I consider my steel salsa a lifetime bike. Pity the frame is 2.4kg.  

Beautiful looking bikes... Any idea if / how you could get these in Australia at these prices?

A friend rides a Trek Madone and reckons he feels "shattered" at the end of fast bumpy descents - like say Kalkari down to Bobbin Head.

He has a Baum on order now :~)

I had a Fuji cromo roadie and changed to a Litepseed and the difference in ride quality down those hills is amazing. Only the very worst bits shake me up now.

My carbon toy was nice to ride, but when I got my Lynskey Backroad tourer and found out how nice ti is, I just thought it's not costing me anything to get another of their bikes, because I'm spending the kids inheritance, so I ordered the Sportive Disc.  I'll be retiring my Trek toy and using as much of its ultegra bits on the new bike as possible, so now I'll have to find a place to store the Trek so that it can be handed on as an heirloom when I turn my toes up.  Bikes are much more useful as heirlooms than jewellery!

Shattered? Sounds like an excuse to spend money if you ask me.

Shattered as in broken I think.
But who wouldn't want a Baum?

Forks obviously make a big difference, but I found the rear end bucking during braking before corners very unsettling and several times I just had enough cruised through the last few bends. I find now I can descend quickly (quickly for me) while mostly on the hoods and with the seat weighted. On the Fuji I was unweighted and holding onto the drops for grim death - ending up tired at the bottom. For me it's been part learning curve part bike.

I have no doubt there is a "Ti effect" in all of this, but I wonder how much of it is due to the other psycho-social and engineering related differences too. What I mean is that you decide bike n is "harsh" and make the decision to seek out a more comfortable replacement addition. What you don't end up with is a bike that is identical in every other way other than frame material - so it is truly hard to isolate the "Ti effect" - I'm not saying you can't notice it, you just can't isolate it from everything else. You may also choose to steer away from an "otherwise harsh" Ti frame - i.e, seek one with more relaxed geometry, take more time to find a frame that fits you (because you didn't do this with bike n etc). This might be compounded by discussions you have with bike staff / forum armchair experts who point you in this direction too.

Not that any of this is a bad outcome - you were after a softer / more relaxed ride, and you found it.

I always find it interesting how bike reviewers can wax lyrical (well, no that bit I can understand - they get paid to) about how wonderfully "compliant" frame X is compared to Y (when they all end being more compliant than one another), and how "frame X soaks up the all the bumps after a long day on stone chip, but still allows you to lay down the power in the final sprint" when the "signal" in what the might be trying to measure through their body's biosensors is orders of magnitude smaller than the noise - being compounded by all the other vibration-absorbing mechanics such as the road surface, tyre pressure, tyre choice, saddle, bar tape, gloves, socks, muscle condition. and even the chamois in their knicks - only so much of which can be controlled for. And of course it's impossible to have a double-blind, randomised, controlled, cross-over, factorial design, with sufficient power to observe the effect trial in order to minimise the observer effect.

It all gets a bit princess-and-the-pea to me. Just tell me whether it comes in a red, white and black paint job ("why yes, of course it does"), what the price is, and if its name ends in an "o" I'll buy it.


this is possibly the best post I have ever read. well done

There's nothing wrong with round tubes. It may be a bit retro these days I suppose and a softer ride than the coldworked geometric tubes - but maybe adds <0.5kg to the frame weight.
My Litespeed frame retailed for almost 1/2 of the top of the range Litespeeds due to plain round tubes and dull etched finish instead of polishing
Probably, like Litespeed, Lynskey is now sourcing his Ti tube from Russia which also cuts costs fairly significantly.

Probably Russian/Chinese built, US/western quality control. Like Van Nicholas.

This might spell the end of the dominance of the Motobecane bikes at the budget end of titanium frames.
There are a few questions hanging over Motobecane quality that Lynskey won't have.


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