Cycling in Sydney Australia
should our taxes be thrown, in more road funding, to address congestion?
I don't think ever increasing funding will improve congestion. Improving the roads will increase demand (for private motoring). The alternatives to private motoring must be improved even more, using funds that the NRMA apparently would see being increasingly spent on roads.
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/people-power-can-h...
"....... help the NRMA take a stand against "tragically underfunded, unsafe and congested roads" in NSW, ......"
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Permalink Reply by Bob Moore on -
From the recent thread on congestion pricing by Richard (Poncho) the NRMA should go read the paper by John Whitelegg at al, called Pay As You Go., and the work by PB Goodwin in UK, instead of bringing up the old guff about building more freeways and tunnels.
strong conclusion in the UK report is to spend road pricing income on things the public can see that benefit everyone, like public transport and walking and cycling improvements. Then again, maybe the public here can't see this.
http://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/Pay%20As%20You%20Go%20...
And also might be worth a read in WTPP, another article by Goodwin on Peak Car.
http://www.eco-logica.co.uk/pdf/wtpp17.4.pdf
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Permalink Reply by Martin Geliot on -
Looking for an email addy to send them these, could only find a daft form thingo.
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Permalink Reply by rococoabean on -
"....... help the NRMA take a stand against "tragically underfunded, unsafe and congested roads" in NSW ......"
The suggestion implied by the language used here fascinates me: 'we', the right-thinking (driving) public of NSW need to 'help' the NRMA to 'take a stand' for road funding, presumably because (a) at present it's not given due financial consideration and (b) this situation is leading to said roads being unsafe and congested.
This linguistic sleight of hand means that one is suggested (without evidence - er sorry, NSW roads underfunded?!) as the cause of the other, and the victim card duly played. Masterful work from the media outlet that does so well in its self-appointed 'champion of the underdog' role...
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Permalink Reply by rococoabean on
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Didn't say it wasn't. What I was suggesting was that it's particularly interesting when an already-powerful and well-resourced lobby (and attendant group who benefit from their efforts) tries to imply the need to 'take a stand', as though its voice was not already heard and its needs well attended to!
BTW, I don't know anyone who would seriously refer to commuting by car as a 'hobby'... :-)
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Permalink Reply by Martin Geliot on
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Because cycling facilities relieve congestion.
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Permalink Reply by Martin Geliot on
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You get fewer cars, and you get the ability for cars to pass cyclists rather than have them take the lane. Obviously you need good cycle facilities to achieve these gains.
Kent St has same number of general lanes since the bike lanes went in AFAIK. Is that correct?
In the evenings the buses to your part of town fill up at the last stop before the distributor.
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Permalink Reply by Neil Alexander on -
How can you tell? Your eyes must be closed if you think the Kent St cycleway is rarely used. Or do you mean rarely used by you?
BTW it's "past" not "passed".
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Permalink Reply by noelbike on
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buses on York st with 1 or 2 people on them
Helmet, 3 hours ago you said ...buses and trains are also packed...
We are trying to have a serious discussion here so please be serious yourself.
As to Kent St, I suggest you go and look as I ride along there every day and there are lots of bikes.
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Permalink Reply by baa baa on -
2) Take a walk down Your St in the afternoon - you will see its jamed full of empty buses.
Your York St is a one way heading South, buses can be empty after Wynyard as very few people need to be in the city in the afternoon.
Most loop around Wynyard Park stop, pick up passengers and head back over the SHB fully loaded.
As for Kent Street being much worse. Laugh.
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Permalink Reply by biker1 on -
helmetfree - i notice you troll alot.
maybe you need to troll properly then along kent street if you want to make comments like "rarely used cycle lane in place".
i use it at 6.20 am commuting in and there are quite a few people on it. I varied my commute home time recently from 4.30pm to 6pm recently and it was chockers....even in the rain. do you want some footage posted of that?
re: york st: you realise thats where people on buses are dropped off before they loop around to pick up? the one person on a bus you may see could be the bus driver? ;)
happy trolling
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Permalink Reply by Paul on -
And every night I ride passed scores of buses on York st with 1 or 2 people on them.
That is because York St is at the end of the bus route and most passengers have already disembarked at Lang Park or Wynyard, immediately after coming off the bridge. At night, most buses going down York St will be empty because they are inbound services heading to Wynyard or the QVB for the peak hour turnaround to outbound services.
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Permalink Reply by Si on -
Firstly, it is not just a hobby. I ride more transport kms than I drive in my car.
Secondly, you like your economic rationalism (well, grab-the-shotgun-libertarianism maybe more appropriate, but wtf...) it would seem. Here you go:
http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/pay-to-pedal-reflection...
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