https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/women-live-in-fear-and-men...

Any ladies input comparing riding a bike on the road vs threats from men?

Granted one is probably more of a choice vs the other.

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The veneer of civilisation is pretty thin even in our apparently superior and study worthy western version, too many people resort to intimidation of or out right violence against more venerable individuals or groups when they think or know they can get away with it without consequences.

Abuse against children in "care", older people in "care", women, ethnic, racial or other out groups and even cyclists are all just manifestations of the same behaviour that a few hundred years of enlightenment and education has not yet been able to eliminate from society. 

Maybe in another million years we will be better.

...that's pretty depressing. 

Good thing we have the present!

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I think it is the case that when riding a bicycle you can get at least a glimpse of the kind of aggression and bigotry that is faced by many minority groups.

As a white, anglo, hetero, able-bodied, middle class male I am pretty much as privileged as it is possible to be. So I face no institutional bias, threats or prejudices in my everyday life.

But when on my bike I am from time to time abused and threatened for no other reason than my transport choice. That said, I am wary of drawing too much of an analogy here. Yes, it is I suppose instructional for me to experience that type of implied and actual violence with no provocation. But it is also a long way from what is faced by women and minorities. I can get off my bike. I can lean on my privilege to face or de-escalate a situation. I can chose to avoid it.

Hence I tend to avoid drawing those parallels, as I fear they can trivialise the issues faced by women and minorities whilst simultaneously painting cyclists as a bunch of entitled whingers - neither which is a useful outcome.

Thank you Dan. 

I did consider this, hence the question and the qualifier that not riding is an option.

I don't think going out for a ride and wondering if my family will get a call that I was a victim for no more than being on the road is a trivial thing as we've seen from reports, heard from fellow riders and directly on this website

There was another recent article that rang out along the lines of "evil prospers when good men do nothing"

Similarly when we see social media commentary ; and wonder why many drivers don't stand up for the safety of cyclists against comments that border and cross the line of threats.

I found the article, and maybe I should have posted earlier with it as the key article.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-21/not-all-men-are-violent-but-a...

The key statement there is :

"Of course it is true that not all men are violent. But the fact is that too many men do not challenge the norms and behaviours which perpetuate violence."

- Men must accept that violence against women is a men's issue." 

Replace "men" with people who drive and "women" with people who cycle.

How about:

replace "men" with people and "women" with people.

As a society, there is no need to use violence against anyone - and it should not be acceptable to do so regardless of gender or any other categorising traits.

I did write this a while ago, which covers this ground but perhaps without the need for direct comparisons:

http://www.sydneycyclist.com/forum/topics/cyclists-as-an-out-group

I suppose the difference is women are not actually out groups (in most societies) 

They are more vulnerable and more subject to the potential violence from men - which is where the similarity is

The other thing is ; yes, we can (probably) choose not to ride as cyclists, but that's the same as giving up a choice for the people making their choice to drive and endanger others. 

They are more vulnerable and more subject to the potential violence from men - which is where the similarity is

Statistics don't back you up there.

Men are more likely to be subject to physical assault, and threats of violence, than women.

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