Cycling in Sydney Australia
Just a heads up that NSW's finest were back in the park this morning fining hordes of riders for not coming to a complete stop at a stop sign. Every rider must completely stop.
One whole bunch fined, a second bunch was split with the front half being fined.
I will try to find out exactly which stop sign from Strava/Facebook posts but thought it might be of interest on here.
Business as usual for NSW.
There are a few wild peloton about. No names.
Riders who race will train. If the cops keep policing that stop sign (which should not be stop for people turning left) then the riders will train out on open roads. That is worse for more people.
I've not done SOP hotlaps for a while, and when I ride in SOP I prefer the longer laps - and yes sometimes I need to run wide in the car lane so the bunch can shoot through that corner. I wave them thorugh and get across early, I've done it with a 7 year old. At that time of day it is very very unlikely for cars to be there and safer for everyone if I move across.
SOP should work on a solution that allows rider to train in bunches, and ride pacelines - something not possible if the police sit on that stop sign.
The number of accidents there caused by the bunch blowing the stop sign at 6am two or three mornings a week would be zero.
This is NSW Police looking for a problem that does not exist. We've had people posting about being hit by cars recently and no action taken as they were not carted off in an ambulance. Whole families killed at Xmas - and police are targeting a specific training regime for a a couple of hundred riders 2 or 3 mornings a week.
I'm not surprised actually. Gosh, police are targeting naughty roadies!
I don't have a problem with them doing that, although for a cyclist I see offences as worth $50 not the motorised killing machine penalties.
Maybe 10% of the people who ride training laps are in LACC.
I am not an LACC member, but LACC have stepped up a number of times to reign in the bunches. They do what they can.
If LACC ceased to exist in the morning you would still get 150+ riders turn up for Tuesday/Thursday mornings.
I think the future of cycling is going virtual, and anyone wanting to compete will have to relocate overseas or interstate.
That type of behaviour is 2 maybe 3 mornings a week for a 5 lap training ride. Even then some of the slower groups will practically stop at the stop signs.
Really we should not be so fast to point the finger - riders who race will train. It is getting to the stage that riding will need to be virtual or we just won't have riders competing at all. How sad to get kids to train in the lounge room in front of a laptop and not learning skills from other riders and socialising.
What the bunches are doing is not unsafe. Calls are made, loudly, if something is approaching then they stop. Rare at that hour.
This is BS policing, targeting riders for what ever reason - malice or money who knows. This should be used to push for Stop signs to be a give-way for anyone on a bicycle. Plenty of times I have not been able to fully stop due to cars behind me...
Perhaps uninformed policing not so much BS - they have to be reactive at times.
It sounds like some form of liaison process would help.
I know I am at my safest in a group
I think they've been there at least 3 or 4 times in the last fortnight. The spot is at the corner of Australia Avenue and Kevin Coombs Avenue. The stop sign is on Australia Avenue, turning left into Kevin Coombs.
Like Operation Pedro, I wonder why the police seem to have all the time in the world to lay in
wait for a bunch of cyclists (who would hurt no-one but themselves) during a time of record motor vehicle fatalities and injuries where surely increased police presence on the road would be beneficial in increasing driver awareness and decreasing phone use.
technical question, if you are in a big bunch, and the last person is some metres from the stop line when they stop, do they have to stop again when coming up to the stop line? I.e., can police really have fun?
and is having to accelerate again after stopping good or bad for training?
That is a very good question (the first one)!
I've never ever thought of it in that way.
Technically, yes, but doing that could cause giveway signs or other stop signs to the road the cyclists are turning onto to be blocked for cross traffic for 5 minutes at a time. That is because the effect will be to gateway the intersection to a couple of bicycles every 3 seconds and therefore produce a continuous stream of riders that takes 5 minutes to pass instead of a bunch that takes 20 seconds.
Cops that have any sort of ability to process the concept of common sense discretion wouldn't do that, but well you don't send your finest to bicycle traffic patrol.
Bunches of 150 riders aren't great for training generally, beyond the fact that the huge bunch is a motivation to join it to train. Accelerations imo not a huge problem, as long as you don't have to wait so long that your heart rate falls to resting, which is the kind of thing that happens to me when I come across sydney traffic lights.