I'm loving the bike porn in here - I even understand some of it :)

My much used road bike is overdue for replacement (or at least to relegation as a spare) and I want to go for a tourer for a number of reasons (one being that I intend to do more touring and have recently made that my business as well). Nothing too heavy duty, more of the credit card variety with maybe the odd bit more 'adventurous'.

From reviews and friends the Salsa Vaya 2 seems closest to what I want although I'm getting vibes that there mightn't be any coming into Australia. CBD has the Vaya 3 and I'll go for a test ride on that. The Surly LHT is overkill for me I think, and too heavy given that I want to do day rides as well (no loads but tourer = road bike with more comfort?). Or what about the Vivente WR? Cannondale T2? Trek 520?

Would anyone like to share their views or opinions?

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Is that because they are a sponsor on here? or am I being too cynical?

It is just a very good bicycle, you get a lot for your money.

If an LHT is a bit much, what about a Crosscheck? A little more sporty, but still capable of carrying a decent load.

Any decent tourer is going to be relatively heavy (relative to a racing bike, that is).

I have a Fuji tourer which I haven't actually gone touring with yet but have done a lot of day rides (and by day rides I mean a fair few rides of 200km in a day, I did 316km in a day on it the other weekend). Would I go faster on something else? Most probably, but I can still go fast enough for my liking, it is more comfortable than my racing bike (both in terms of the location of my contact points and the fact that it can fit 32mm tires and fenders, just) and it has put up with some terrible treatment which would have left another bike in a very poor shape indeed.

It doesn't pay to worry about weight too much, particularly on a touring bicycle. an extra kilogram on the frame pales into insignificance when you add a rider and even the smallest of loads, and that weight is there for a reason.

My suggestion is to go and ride a whole bunch, preferably with a bit of a load on them, and see what works best for you. Compare like to like. It isn't going to feel like a racing bike but that isn't a bad thing, it really shouldn't!

Thanks for the advice Rob. You're right, I will go test a few.

You're in luck Bruce.  I've run out of bike parking space and I have to make way for a new toy, so my Trek 520 is up for sale.


Trek 520 frame with a standover height of about 78cm.  I’m 5’7” ish and it would fit someone from about 5’6” upwards

New fork with holes for low rider pannier rack

Avid mechanical disk brake - front

Tektro 520 brake levers

Shimano bar end shifters

VDO M1.0 cycle computer with many features

Mirrcycle rear view mirror

Blackburn low rider front pannier rack

3 bidon cages

Shimano SPD cleats

Shimano Deore LX Hollowtech cranks with 22-32-44T chainrings

Shimano XT front derailleur

Shimano Deore long cage rear derailleur capable of handling wrapping the chain on the 12-36T 9spd cassette

Shimano 9 speed chain

Topeak Super Tourist rear rack

Tail light

Shimano rear V-brake

Selleroyale gel saddle

Both wheels are Velocity Razor rims with DT spokes and Shimano hubs with 700 x 28 Continental Ultra gatorskin tyres


I’ve spent around $1,000 upgrading with quality components on this bike in the last 6-12 months, so while some of it has travelled extensively, most of it hasn’t.


If you're interested, make me an offer!  You could contact me on 0438 765 433.

Thanks, will keep that in mind though maybe a bit small for me (I'm 5'10")

Yes, you'd probably be an inch or so oversize.

This is my new toy replacing the Trek.  I just finished building it up from scratch yesterday.  I wouldn't make any money building wheels or assembling bikes - took me too long!  It's a Lynskey Backroad titanium touring bike.  I'm just about to take it out on its first ride.

It looks pretty spiffing!
Be sure to report in as soon as you return!

I'm really pleased with how the bike handles.  In its configuration in the picture above, it weights about 14kgs.  The first ride only revealed minor adjustments to be made - mainly to the seat height - it's really quite surprising how much difference 10-15mm makes in comfort!

It's very responsive and as it's a tourer, I'm sitting more upright, which is exactly what I wanted.

Everything came in bits, and the only outside mechanical bits that I had done were to fit the headset; cut off the steerer tube, and acquire some spacers to use on the front rack in order to accommodate the disk brake.

Building the wheels probably took me about 5-6 hours as it has been a few years since I'd built any.  I got them to within about 0.5mm of true and round, and thought that will do me.  For the first time I also used a spoke tension meter and tension wrench on other bits, which was really useful.

In the past, I've done most of the work on my bikes, so it wasn't a huge learning curve.  However, the current technology was really pleasing.  Most of the time it's an allen key or one of the new (to me) Torx wrenches.  This means that it's less tools needed when touring.

I'm impressed with the Tubus Ergo front rack.  It's rock solid and allows easy access to the disk.  And the disk brakes ...... well the Avids are just great, technically, mechanically and stopping wise.

I found that the placement of the third bidon cage under the down tube is closer to the BB than on my Trek and allows me to now carry a 1 litre bottle there giving 3 litres of water in the racks - an important consideration for me sometimes when touring.

I might have to slip in a quick few days away soon to test it out properly - smell the country air and taste the bush coffee!

New Lynskey toy loaded and ready for action on a short 350k shake down tour.  Not much less gear for 5 days than I’d normally take for a month.  AUW of bike, tent, sleeping and cooking gear, as well as clothes is only 43kgs.


Well done Dabba, what brand of fork (guessing it is a steely) also 7, 8, 9,10 or 11click baacons with what 2 or 3 up front?

For this sort of set up maybe ponder the formula....

f+r racks+bb7s = sks longboard muddies

I am pretty keen on these to really keep the muck off, but if you cart your bike around by car rack without a front wheel they can be bit of a pest as they hang way so low....

I've attached the build list of everything that went onto the bike except for some additional new tools that I had to buy that weren't bike specific.

I never use muddies.  My experience of them years ago was that they rattle too much, and too much of my touring can be on rough/gravel roads.

The componentary is mainly a mix of SRAM and Shimano.  I'm extremely impressed with the SRAM stuff.  My only other dealings with SRAM was with a dual drive rear hub that I used to build a wheel for my late wife's electric bike, and at the time I thought that it was outstanding engineering.

SRAM 10spd barcons with SRAM front and rear derailleurs.  The rear derailleur handles 11-36T cassette without any problem, and I suspect that it might even work with their latest 42T big cog.



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