Comment by Ma Dame Vélo on July 22, 2010 at 12:59pm

I agree Si, but I still felt it was good for my kids to learn about all beliefs so it can help them understand the world (rather than just hang around the playground while everyone else attended scripture).

Comment by sydneyCommuter on July 22, 2010 at 1:38pm

I'm happy to look at religion as a source of ideas to consider, but not as "truth".

Like Si, it is the intolerance of some religious people that turns me way from religion. I don't relate to how for example some catholics and protestants can think of themselves as enemies even though they read from the same textbook.

Religious intolerance has been the source of too many conflicts. That's what can make religion more damaging than helpful.

Don't get me wrong. Most christians are wonderful people. Yet there are a few dangerous manipulators & haters in there.

Comment by David Taylor on July 22, 2010 at 1:57pm

Comment by Ma Dame Vélo on July 22, 2010 at 2:08pm

Yes, when one of my Christian friends said to me, you can't call yourself a Christian if you don't believe Jesus was the son of God, that's when I had to walk away from considering the whole idea. I would have thought it could be OK to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ (in terms of peace, honesty, tolerance, harmony and love, etc), but to just believe he was "one of the prophets". But if you have to accept that anyone (such as an "equally-clean-living" Buddhist who had never in their life heard of Jesus Christ) will go to Hell when they die because they don't believe the Christian take on Life, then Blah!

Comment by David Taylor on July 22, 2010 at 2:16pm

It's the main reason religious people hate Occam's razer, the concept of religion is based on a mass of pre-supposition.
The interesting part is that if god was in fact proven it would stop being god in the same way that magic becomes science as soon as it is proven. By definition God has to be unknowable.

Comment by Paul on July 22, 2010 at 2:19pm

Me: Brought up Catholic (including Catholic School...yuck!). Now: Last had any real engagement with religion when I was about 14.
Funnily enough, ay my "Catholic School", I scored 38% for Religious Education, and this was considered a "good mark".
We once had a religious eduction assignment that was something along the lines of "you meet someone in the street and they are interested in becoming Catholic...what do you say to them (1500 words)". I don't think the Course Coordinator was particularly impressed when I wrote a Creative Writing piece that had me meeting the Grim Reaper (from the HIV TV Ads of the time!) and having him convince me to be Jewish. I think it was some of best work. They wanted be to do it again because "it was supposed to be an essay", but the assignment just said "In 1500 words....". Not that I would have done it again anyway. I just told them to give me zero if it makes them feel better.

Anyway, everyone knows that God is a guy called Xenu and we were all brought here in a DC-8 Shaped Spacecraft!

It may be no coincidence, but in the Remake of the 80's series "V", the Reptilian Visitors have created a "Vitamin Shot" called "R6" that they inject into Earthlings (Sorry, Thetans!).

Finally, is Hell an Exothermic or Endothermic Reaction?

Comment by ros on July 22, 2010 at 2:26pm

David - great comment - by definition God has to be unknowable. So it is religious certainty that causes all the fear and strife. That zealous crap.
I am glad to be 'takin that ride to nowhere'

Comment by JP on July 22, 2010 at 2:34pm

I like the vibe here.

Comment by Freewheelin' Franklin on July 22, 2010 at 2:36pm

Paul - scientology is a very entertaining anthropology.
given that the 'beleivers' cannot escape the knowledge that it was written by a scifi author.
makes me wonder if groovy funky channel 27 really had a very good point?

Ros/david, if god can vanish in a puff of logic... surely the

babelfish should be the avatar of this group... Daniel??

Comment by Freewheelin' Franklin on July 22, 2010 at 2:41pm

great link paul

"Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for souls entering hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, then you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and souls go to hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially."

hell sounds like one great party!

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