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Helmetless riders

Sick of fools yelling "where's your helmet"? Can't understand why a safe mode of transport like cycling has been singled out for mandatory helmet wearing? Want to ride with the breeze in your hair? This is your group.

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Comment by sydneyCommuter on September 25, 2010 at 10:02am
Hi Nadine. welcome to the forum

"Where's your helmet" is an old manipulative technique (a loaded question) designed to make people feel guilty about riding a bicycle without a helmet. This slogan was used relentlessly to harass helmetless cyclist when the helmet law was imposed 20 years ago.

There is a discussion on this issue in this forum group. Although it happens much less often than before, you still hear it occasionally.
Comment by CraigM on September 25, 2010 at 11:23am
Helmets will not decrease cycling accidents
Helmets will not reduce head injuries.
Helmets will reduce the the severity if you happen to strike your head during an accident.

Having seen and also experienced the brain rattling affect of a number of helmetless high speed crashes I believe compulsory helmet wearing has been a positive step.

Unfortunately like most laws one size fits all so the rider cruising safely along the bike path is treated the same as the commuter or courier darting through traffic.
Comment by Peter Robinson on September 25, 2010 at 11:41am
Interestingly Craig, its not one size fits all with all laws. Take seatbelts for instance. There are many catagories of exemption resulting in possibly a quarter of my driving time being done without a seatbelt without any special exemption being applied for.
Why cant that kind of common sense be applied to helmet
Comment by Peter Robinson on September 25, 2010 at 11:44am
When I looked at the Hansard for the intro of HLs to the ACT it was only one mans opinion that they should be without exemptions and NO explanation.
Comment by CraigM on September 25, 2010 at 1:30pm
Peter, I wasn't aware of any seatbelt exemptions for the general public more commercial and special circumstances was my understanding.

The comment was more a generalisation of how most traffic laws are applied.
Comment by Kathy Francis on September 26, 2010 at 8:18pm
Hi everyone. This is probably the only group I could belong to as I am primarily a lapsed cyclist, a victim of the helmet laws. I wanted to ask you if anyone is campaigning against the helmet laws? Also do you ride together for support ? Also has anyone ever successfully applied for an exemption from wearing a helmet ?
Comment by Colin on September 26, 2010 at 8:24pm
Kathy, I believe Sue Abbott has applied for an exemption to the helmet law. See http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/parlment/committee.nsf/0/d6fc...$FILE/Submission%2520No.%252033%2520-%2520Sue%2520Abbott.pdf

I ride without a helmet, and I've been fined once in the last 5 years. I've been stopped by police quite a few times though - they ask me to "walk my bike", which I do until they are out of sight, and then I ride again. I'm thinking of following Sue's example and fighting instead of ducking and weaving. :)
Comment by sydneyCommuter on September 26, 2010 at 8:42pm
Hi Kathy, welcome to the forum.

A few answers to your question:

A group called Cyclists RIght Action Group (CRAG) is campaigning against helmet laws. Here is their web site.
http://members.pcug.org.au/~psvansch/crag/

There is no need to ride together for support. There are more than enough people ignoring the helmet law these days.

Sue Abbott has applied for an exemption. A tedious and frustrating process so far of dealing with bureaucrats. Still working on it but no there yet.

Sue has been successful in challenging the helmet law in court though. You can find more details here:
http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/parlment/committee.nsf/0/D6FC...
This contains valuable information to challenge it in court.
Comment by CraigM on September 26, 2010 at 9:10pm
Hi Kathy welcome to the forum.

A lot of good questions that have already drawn a reaction.

I believe if anyone is to make a case against helmet laws they will have have to use studies and data that is current and relevant, I'm still looking.

Have fun.
Comment by Kathy Francis on September 26, 2010 at 9:10pm
Thanks for your replies. It is not like this in small country towns like the one I live near. Although riding without a helmet is safe because of the lack of traffic , the police don't have enough to do and usually fine everyone they see without a helmet. Consequently there are almost no cyclists left in our town. Very sad. You are very lucky living in Sydney and getting all the new bike tracks.

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