Pyrmont Bridge Road Working Group

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Pyrmont Bridge Road Working Group

Group for improving Pyrmont Bridge Road for cyclists. This road links Inner West suburbs like Stanmore, Petersham and Leichhardt with Pyrmont and the City, and carries a steady stream of commuter cyclists but little in the way of cycling infrastructure.

Location: Inner West Sydney
Members: 15
Latest Activity: Mar 29

Background

[Note added in March 2017: a meeting was held with RMS, City of Sydney and Bike Leichhardt in February 2017, after a call by Bike Leichhardt for an update on RMS and CoS intentions for Pyrmont Bridge Rd as part of Urban Growth plans for relocation of the Fishmarket and other changes to Blackwattle Bay and Pyrmont. City of Sydney strongly put to RMS that they should have remarked the road to cater for cyclists when they repaved it in 2016. RMS actually agreed to relook at the road markings and see if some provision could be made for cyclists, using as a basis a plan put together by CoS traffic engineer Justin Murphy. They even thought that there were some funds left in their budget for such works. We left the meeting feeling quite hopeful, but as yet no positive news.]

See photos of Pyrmont Bridge Rd on a Google Photos album

Forum discussion on left hook incidents at Wentworth Park Road. http://www.sydneycyclist.com/forum/topics/anyone-been-nearly-left-hooked-here

Some facts and figures will be posted here, when obtained, such as traffic volumes, cycle counts, anything else relevant.

Number one fact is that it is an RMS controlled road, but footpaths are under the control of Leichhardt Council and City of Sydney Council. Some sections are recognized as parts of bike routes. The section between Junction St and Booth St is part of a route from Annandale to Haymarket via Booth St and St Johns Rd. There is a bike route directional sign near Booth St for westbound cyclists. There is a Bicycles Excepted sign for the right turn into Ross St from the Bus Lane.

The speed limit is 60 Km/h, which is too high for the road these days. It used to be the main way into the City via Pyrmont Bridge but now is not a through route.

The road is wide by Sydney standards, up to 15 m in sections, with four lanes. in the section through Glebe it is narrower but only 2 lanes of traffic, so lane widths are generous, except where an extra turning lane is marked. Clearway restrictions apply in peak hours Monday to Friday. Weekend and out of peak parking causes some squeeze points for cyclists.

There have been resident campaigns to close the road near Taylor St, to reduce traffic through Glebe.

The road surface is very bumpy where Ausgrid or other authorities have laid cables in a trench along the road and have not repaired the surface flush, although they say they will come back eventually and fix properly.

Short PyrmontBridgeRd.doc submission to RMS in May, 2013.

[Note added in March 2017: the road has been repaved by RMS and is a lot smoother. Some of the road is different looking. They took out the refuge near Wooley St and put in a conventional pedestrian crossing, introducing a bit of a squeeze due to a kerb extension. They also put in a standard wide refuge at Cross St, introducing a real squeeze for west bound cyclists.]

Discussion Forum

Latest developmemts

Started by Bob Moore. Last reply by Bob Moore Apr 16, 2015. 18 Replies

Leichhardt Council at their Traffic Cttee today  agreed to raise PB Rd with RMS, and seek a meeting or at least some response from them, to the idea of improvements for cyclists. They also said they…Continue

Usage and bicycle counts

Started by Bob Moore. Last reply by Bob Moore Apr 10, 2013. 2 Replies

CoS bike counts at Booth St and at Wattle St give the numbers of cyclists in morning peak hour period to be in the range of 125 to 250. Source is fig. 4.77 in the State Govts Transport Masterplan. In…Continue

Tags: pyrmont bridge Rd, PB Rd

Ideas, Problems and Solutions

Started by Bob Moore. Last reply by Bob Moore Oct 26, 2012. 6 Replies

OK, we know some of the problem points and sections, now how do we improve PB Rd for commuter cyclists?My starting list is something like this:1. Lower speed limit to 50. Possibly 40 near the…Continue

Lane widths and squeeze points

Started by Bob Moore Oct 21, 2012. 0 Replies

Posting some measured lane widths at crucial points where cyclists might get squeezed or otherwise experience problems. Please add any more points or sections where you have experienced problems.I…Continue

Tags: Pyrmont Bridge Road

Comment Wall

Comment by Da Munch on October 17, 2012 at 10:04pm

No idea if I'm embedding this right, corned of PBR and W;

http://youtu.be/g5xHlIEwcuA

Comment by cafard à deux roues on October 17, 2012 at 10:38pm

That's very very similar to what happened to me last Saturday morning. And mine was a black sedan too. I can't read the numberplate from the video - is it readable from the original clip? Did you report it?

Comment by Bob Moore on October 18, 2012 at 7:43am
Suggest reporting this to CoS on their feedback complaint form and ask the Traffic Engineers do something. They are aware of the issue, but a few more reports might prompt some action or more action. Might slip in a mention of 60 K limit being a bit high for such a road and number of cyclists using this route.
http://202.148.146.61/ContactUsForms/reportProblem.aspx
Comment by Bob Moore on October 18, 2012 at 8:01am
Re speed limits, I believe it is 60 everywhere, except for a 40 section near Harris St. Can peeps please confirm this on their next trip along?
Comment by Da Munch on October 18, 2012 at 9:43am

Number plate is BTE90G - I yelled it out and if you play the original in slow mo you can see it in one frame. I didn't report it cause I had to go and pick up my daughter and other bits and then more other bits blah blah, I had every intention of reporting it when it happened. Pre camera I would of chased and "used" my lock on their car, now I just think I can just report it but I never seem to.

Bob - I'll make a complaint (have done so in the past for the corner of Windmill and Dalgety Millers point where I was hit recently and for the same reasons - a wide sweeping turn and got a response) has anyone added PBR to the blackspot app;

http://scott-ludlam.greensmps.org.au/bike-blackspot

I sent an email for the one in Millers point but he hasn't put it on the map, which I can understand as a manually process would take way to much time.

Comment by non ministrare sed ministrari on October 18, 2012 at 10:11am

CoS might try hard to drop the speed limit of it lies outside of their existing 40km/h proposal, they already know the Austroads crash analysis identifies speed as well as parked cars as the principal cause of car/bike crashes.

 

Regarding plates: we really ought to maintain a list of plate IDs & what they did (time/date/place) for future action. One of those things which was ho-hum with 500 of us but has potential with 5,000.

Comment by Bob Moore on October 18, 2012 at 10:29am
If they extended the 40 K area to Wattle St it would help. They could justify this, since it is a high pedestrian area leading to the Fishmarket. Then 50 through to Parramatta Rd instead of 60, would go some way to make it more bicycle friendly. In general it isn't so bad for cycling, which is exactly why I think it should be recognized as a commuter route and treated accordingly. 40 the whole way would obv. be better but a big ask.
Comment by non ministrare sed ministrari on October 18, 2012 at 10:41am

Ta, I have emailed (preliminary) & shall follow up with yr detail.

 

What do you think we ought to ask for regarding parking? I'm half developing a vision that we eliminate on-street parking from bicycle routes (one day far far away) and in the meantime seek to reduce it salami tactic one slice at a time.

 

So we might make some of clearway 24/7 and limit the out-of-clearway-hours parking to 15mins as an ambit request. Thoughts?

Comment by Da Munch on October 18, 2012 at 11:10am

Martin, has there been a change to the motor bike rules re filtering as there seems to be a lot more of them going up the left inside heading up to Glebe Point rd heading west?

As to parking, I mostly ride peak hours so don't have issues with it BUT I drive it out of peak hours a bit and I really don't like the up hill parking like from Cross to Ross as the cyclist hug the cars and I refuse to closely overtake cyclists that could be doored - so maybe parking on the downhill with bike logos in the middle of the lanes (like Glebe point rd) along with making it 50. A bit similar to what's on Booth but without the uphill parking which I think is props to Bob.

Comment by Bob Moore on October 18, 2012 at 7:00pm
Went to the Fishmarket today and checked out the parking scene along Wentworth Park section. It is a Clearway am and pm but No Parking at other times, all the way up to Glebe Pt Rd. Used to be parking along there not so long ago, which did provide a bit of shelter, as the kerb side lane was reasonably wide to avoid car doors in, but now it is a speed way when lights change at Wattle. I did notice that the green phase lasts for about 50 seconds out of about 140 secs , so if heading west just time it so you are at end of the platoon and you will have a clear run to Wenty Rd at least or Taylor St if you are good.

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