Pyrmont Bridge Road Working Group

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Pyrmont Bridge Road Working Group

Group for improving Pyrmont Bridge Road for cyclists. This road links Inner West suburbs like Stanmore, Petersham and Leichhardt with Pyrmont and the City, and carries a steady stream of commuter cyclists but little in the way of cycling infrastructure.

Location: Inner West Sydney
Members: 15
Latest Activity: Mar 5

Background

[Note added in August 2017: Sad to say, the result of the February meeting has been RMS deciding to do nothing. After no reply I rang them and they said PB Rd is a "low priority" and they thought the plan we presented didnt do enough to improve safety, so better to do nothing. Go figure! In other news, Inner West Council has received a grant to connect Annandale with PB Rd via a bike link from Albion St, so maybe that will get RMS to take some interest. This link is still in concept stage, no definite route yet, but original plans were for a path across Johnstons Ck from Nelson St, into the industrial maze behind PB Rd. A better link in my book would be down Parramatta Rd footpath (widened as part of Parramatta Rd renewal project) from Nelson St. ]

[Note added in March 2017: a meeting was held with RMS, City of Sydney and Bike Leichhardt in February 2017, after a call by Bike Leichhardt for an update on RMS and CoS intentions for Pyrmont Bridge Rd as part of Urban Growth plans for relocation of the Fishmarket and other changes to Blackwattle Bay and Pyrmont. City of Sydney strongly put to RMS that they should have remarked the road to cater for cyclists when they repaved it in 2016. RMS actually agreed to relook at the road markings and see if some provision could be made for cyclists, using as a basis a plan put together by CoS traffic engineer Justin Murphy. They even thought that there were some funds left in their budget for such works. We left the meeting feeling quite hopeful, but as yet no positive news.]

See photos of Pyrmont Bridge Rd on a Google Photos album

Forum discussion on left hook incidents at Wentworth Park Road. http://www.sydneycyclist.com/forum/topics/anyone-been-nearly-left-hooked-here

Some facts and figures will be posted here, when obtained, such as traffic volumes, cycle counts, anything else relevant.

Number one fact is that it is an RMS controlled road, but footpaths are under the control of Leichhardt Council and City of Sydney Council. Some sections are recognized as parts of bike routes. The section between Junction St and Booth St is part of a route from Annandale to Haymarket via Booth St and St Johns Rd. There is a bike route directional sign near Booth St for westbound cyclists. There is a Bicycles Excepted sign for the right turn into Ross St from the Bus Lane.

The speed limit is 60 Km/h, which is too high for the road these days. It used to be the main way into the City via Pyrmont Bridge but now is not a through route.

The road is wide by Sydney standards, up to 15 m in sections, with four lanes. in the section through Glebe it is narrower but only 2 lanes of traffic, so lane widths are generous, except where an extra turning lane is marked. Clearway restrictions apply in peak hours Monday to Friday. Weekend and out of peak parking causes some squeeze points for cyclists.

There have been resident campaigns to close the road near Taylor St, to reduce traffic through Glebe.

The road surface is very bumpy where Ausgrid or other authorities have laid cables in a trench along the road and have not repaired the surface flush, although they say they will come back eventually and fix properly.

Short PyrmontBridgeRd.doc submission to RMS in May, 2013.

[Note added in March 2017: the road has been repaved by RMS and is a lot smoother. Some of the road is different looking. They took out the refuge near Wooley St and put in a conventional pedestrian crossing, introducing a bit of a squeeze due to a kerb extension. They also put in a standard wide refuge at Cross St, introducing a real squeeze for west bound cyclists.]

Discussion Forum

Usage and bicycle counts

Started by Bob Moore. Last reply by Bob Moore Mar 5. 3 Replies

CoS bike counts at Booth St and at Wattle St give the numbers of cyclists in morning peak hour period to be in the range of 125 to 250. Source is fig. 4.77 in the State Govts Transport Masterplan. In…Continue

Tags: pyrmont bridge Rd, PB Rd

Latest developmemts

Started by Bob Moore. Last reply by Bob Moore Jan 22, 2018. 20 Replies

Leichhardt Council at their Traffic Cttee today  agreed to raise PB Rd with RMS, and seek a meeting or at least some response from them, to the idea of improvements for cyclists. They also said they…Continue

Ideas, Problems and Solutions

Started by Bob Moore. Last reply by Bob Moore Oct 26, 2012. 6 Replies

OK, we know some of the problem points and sections, now how do we improve PB Rd for commuter cyclists?My starting list is something like this:1. Lower speed limit to 50. Possibly 40 near the…Continue

Lane widths and squeeze points

Started by Bob Moore Oct 21, 2012. 0 Replies

Posting some measured lane widths at crucial points where cyclists might get squeezed or otherwise experience problems. Please add any more points or sections where you have experienced problems.I…Continue

Tags: Pyrmont Bridge Road

Comment Wall

Comment by Da Munch on October 18, 2012 at 10:10pm

My trip on the road this morning from ~0815 @ Cross to Bridge

http://youtu.be/fGhH3KjjSHc

notes: speed limits 40 (school zone), 60 then 50. The turn under the tram bridge line has shite all over left side (even though it's only been re-relayed for a few weeks and will get really bad) and is really slippery and why I avoided it. If you put foot to the pedal and it's clearish from just past fish markets you get greens to the bridge. I should of rung my bell for the hipster but I'm pretty sure he knew I was there.

Comment by Scientia et Labore on October 19, 2012 at 2:37pm

I did the follow up email to CoS.

Munch (a reference to "the scream?"): yes rule 141 has been changed. Part c was new in February and arguably it makes MC filtering on the left legal. No idea if a beak has made a decision on it.

Comment by Bob Moore on October 19, 2012 at 4:04pm

@Da Munch, since they changed the parking to peak hours Clearway and No Stopping rest of time ( ie can only stop to pick up or drop off) there is a hell of a lot of space on that uphill, looks like about 6 m, until the start of the right turn lane into GP Rd, when the through traffic (and cyclists)  gets squeezed into about a 3 m lane.  I am going over there one afternoon to check what happens. might be a good spot for a short video. 

Comment by Bob Moore on October 19, 2012 at 4:23pm

Great video too. Interesting that you can still see part of the the old bike lane and logo at 49 secs. Maybe someone could repaint them?

Comment by Da Munch on October 24, 2012 at 3:08pm

Got a response from my complaint to COS;

"The Roads and Maritime Services are responsible for the setting of speed limits and the Service should be contacted directly with your request. Please call 13 17 82 or leave your request on the Services website at;
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/index.cgi?action=feedback.form"

I've already listed PBR as a place where speed limits need to reduced, when you posted a link Bob to some RTA speed limit thingy.

In regards to the run up to Glebe Point rd I will try to keep my head still this arvo and will upload if I get time. This is the only place I see drivers obeying the keep to the left of the lane rule (which is bloody annoying), not sure why they do it way before the pinch point?

And I travel from Annandale on some mornings and I perceive  Parramata rd bus lane to be easier/safer/faster than taking the left into PBR. I think it's because of the starting uphill bit and the mess the road turns into passed Booth with buses and drivers undertaking to get passed 1+ car - be good if sections could be marked as bus lanes where there are two lanes, it'd definitely speed up the buses!

Comment by Bob Moore on October 24, 2012 at 3:38pm
I saw that too, at Booth St. Cars on PB Rd heading east were banked up in the inside lane and there were a few times when cars went up the outside lane, which looked clear. Luckily traffic wasn't very heavy and cyclists didn't happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, except one guy took the lane through there and had a few cars queuing behind him. But they all have to funnel into one lane at Cross St anyway, so no big deal.

That particular spot does seem like one of the prime spots where a cyclist can get saueezed, or even sideswiped, as one cyclist gold me he had been. A Bus Lane might help, or at least some big bike logos and a Watch for Cyclist sign, failing the Cyclists May Use Full Lane sign they use in USA. Hoping to come up with a list of possible treatments.

As for the approaches to Glebe Pt Rd, there is enough width for a bike lane up to the start of the right turn lanes. And the departure lanes seem to be about 4 m wide, so room enough for bikes.

Anyone with more ideas, please send them in. I will start up a discussion topic for ideas on solutions to various problem spots or sections along PB Rd.
Comment by Da Munch on October 28, 2012 at 2:55pm

Video from last Monday heading west up to Glebe Point rd. I was feeling particularly buggered for some reason I wasn't privy to and due to some water on the lens has some added psychedelic qualities. Of all the days last week this is the one that felt most normal to me. 

http://youtu.be/UWGKZzPWYM4

Comment by Bob Moore on October 28, 2012 at 11:59pm

Shows an old barely visible bike logo at 26 seconds, near no 48 PB Rd. I also spotted one near 100 PB Rd on Street View. I am wondering if it would be fruitful to ask that they, and the other remnants between Ross St and Glebe Pt Rd, be remarked. I think these were done by Leichhardt Council when Glebe was in their LGA, back in the nineties or early 2000s. Some nice new large size ones would be excellent to mark out the way up the wide sections. I can anticipate objections, but there very presence must lend some weight to redoing them.

Comment by Bob Moore on October 29, 2012 at 10:39am
I suppose the other comment about the video is it shows how a typical bicycle commute is mostly trying to get along past up the left of all the slow moving or stationary motor traffic, then when it finally does get moving, dodging the cars flying past up to the next bottleneck. All could be improved if they allocated or left us some space, and lowered the speed limit.
Comment by Da Munch on October 29, 2012 at 11:19am

When I moved into the area in late 2003 those lines were I think freshly marked, if that helps? The "it's RMS's road" will be the hardest thing we are going to be fighting against though - why COS opted for bike lane on St Johns.

And remarking would be great from my point of view as that's the sort of lane I'd like, in the recent past I've been riding on the left with a lot of motor bikes and although some stink I think it makes it a bit safer (numbers and noise) as long as they aren't going to fast.

ps my first run down was heading west on PBR when a p plater partially over took me and turned left into Glebe Point rd, bike went under car, I jumped off into the peds waiting to cross

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